READER COMMENTS (25)
1 | I suppose we cannot expect Harvard to scour its own country
in search of students in need. That might be considered patriotic. Why
would they want to look locally and help an American student when they
can go looking in China?
by rick1954 November 09, 6:14 AM |
2 | There are large and increasing percentages of students from Asia at
state funded schools as well both graduate and undergraduate. At the graduate
level most are receiving state or federal financial support in one form
or another, i.e. taxpayer support. As the private schools benefit from
huge government grants and some of which is used to support students, taxpayers
are also supporting foreign students in one form or another even at the
elite schools. In some schools Asian students make up half or more of the
graduate students; without these students some departments wouldn't be
able to justify the size of their faculty or their existence when budget
cuts are needed. And then virtually all of these students stay here to
compete with US graduates. What is wrong with this picture?
by kd1pf November 09, 7:18 AM |
3 | I stopped giving money to my college because they also actively recruit
and give scholarships and aid to foreign students at the expense of American
students. The excuse is that they want the absolute best students in the
world. That's OK if they recruit wealthy foregn students who help foot
the bill for the rest of us, but why are we giving what amounts to taxpayer
funded charity to Chinese children? How does that help America? Keep scholarships
and aid local. And shouldn't we be promoting math and science for Americans
so we can compete internationally?
by Lisa01 November 09, 8:17 AM |
4 | As a senior in Shanghai High School,China who is applying to US colleges,
I think that the American universities are becoming more attractive to
Chinese students. A few years ago, only students who have been abroad or
speak excellent English are willing to apply overseas. However, nowadays,
more and more students in China who used to come to Chinese top universities
are going to the USA or UK. They are attracted by the resources and teaching
methods there. I'm one of these students. I have abandoned the admission
to top 5 domestic universities and applied to Penn and Cambridge. I hope
that US and UK colleges are able to see the trend of increase in academic
performance in Chinese applicants.
by panyuchen November 09, 8:20 AM |
5 | ^^
I don't think the financial aids for the international students are decent. Actually, lots of Chinese undergraduates in US Colleges are full-pay. Given that we have greater math and sciences skills, we value education more than American parents. by panyuchen November 09, 8:24 AM 6911606457216431424 |
6 | Sadly and without exception I have in 30 years of working in both the
public and private sectors of higher education seen foreign students both
excel and complain that the US schools do not ask them to work hard enough.(Seldom
heard from native born)In almost every case students from China do everything
they can to stay in the US after graduation.Lets hope that those who are
able to stay pass on the value of hard work. Maybe Harvard will enroll
their kids and then those who complain about aiding foreign students will
no longer have cause to complain.Or,better yet,lets celebrate smarts in
the US instead of being frightened by it and depreciating it.
by millsman November 09, 8:37 AM |
7 | The problem for US students are that most foreign undergraduate programs
do not provide scholarships (only at the graduate level) and in most countries
the large lecture-one-exam-at-end-of-year format governs so that in many
ways foreign schools are not that attractive. In the case of India's IIT
or Oxford, they rarely if ever admit US undergrads (for a full program--Oxford
is happy to have junior year abroad students) so there is no quid pro quo
for the US.
by Heckler-1 November 09, 9:36 AM |
8 | Somehow lots of American students/workers still see the Constitution
as "all men [born in the US] are created equal..".
If they start to think "all men [born on earth] are created equal", they will appreciate the real competition they're going to face in the years ahead. by fatchoice November 09, 10:26 AM |
9 | I can't understand why these universities would provide the best education
in the US to students who might return to their own countries and use their
education in ways that could be detrimental to the US politically and economically.
by pvalen November 09, 10:29 AM 483045 |
10 | I believe the purpose is to provide some incentive, some inspiration,
some impetus for American students to get up and work harder. Survival
of the fittest, a free-market, no?
In essence this may set some example for primary schools, both public
and private, to review what they are doing and make improvements. A nation
that cannot educate its children to lead the next generation will inevitably
decline.
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11 | this has to be addressed as a matter of national security. we educated
many iranian students in the 70's now they are working on a nuclear program
that we are against? we need to react if and when other countries take
our students, then we may match the numbers they take.
by KSCARPELLI November 09, 10:59 AM 6816788503231117379 |
12 | Not surprising. If anyone has pursued an advanced degree in math, science,
or engineering you will notice that american students are the minority
in these departments. Usually Chinese and in some cases Indian students
outnumber that American students significantly. It is just a matter of
time before that trend reaches toward the undergraduate level.
by Tercaldi37 November 09, 11:08 AM |
13 | this article and the comments sure make it sound like american students
aren't making the grade...hmmm...could that be true? Perhaps we should
start working harder at fixing things in our own back yard and quit criticizing.
How are your kids doing in school? I agree with anthom...let's get our
students, teachers and schools to work harder! How can we help?
by magdalene55 November 09, 11:11 AM 5798926841607658654 |
14 | let's help harvard attract students from us high schools.
i will be the first to send my son to a summer school program at harvard that will teach chinese, math and science. of course this will be free so we do not have to tax harvards trust funds to better our school programs. by KSCARPELLI November 09, 11:18 AM 6816788503231117379 |
15 | The lives of U.S.citizens will only be enriched by welcoming these
talented, inspiring young people. Harvard is wise to tap these exceptional
students for admission. Harvard has more than enough money to give a free
ride to anyone who deserves it.
by christalmage November 09, 12:09 PM 527697 |
16 | Its Great that Harvard is reaching out to the Chinese. But I can't
help but think of all the hard work we put in as well just to get to college.
If only Harvard was able to expand their class size... You know they have
enough money!
by bookworm2007 November 09, 1:23 PM 430030 |
17 | It's not just Harvard. There is a deluge of Chinese students in the
US. There are two big problems with these students as potential employees.
Their english communications skills are limited and many are not authorized
to work in the US. They are taking up many spots. But Harvard, BC, BU,
Babson, and Bentley aren't in the business of providing potential employees
for US companies. Somehow, that's a shame.
by JoeTheDrunk November 09, 2:06 PM 6070093533231969177 |
18 | The English skills are definitely a concern.
At first I was all for it, god knows we need all the math talent that we can get, and any chance of keeping even a fraction of these students here is welcome news. On the other hand, I have horrid experiences of classes led by graduate students from China, whose English was so thickly accented, that it was nearly impossible to understand much of what they said. This was tough back when I went to school many years ago...with what families are paying today for college, I am surprised that there isn't a huge push back against teaching by foreign graduate students with extremely limited English skills. Typically, these were the math, chemistry, and physics courses, which
are already technically more challenging than many of the liberal arts
and social science courses...
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19 | Get used to it the Asian Take Over, there's more of us than anyone
else.
by alexwood November 09, 7:48 PM 8818830301337149223 |
20 | Where is the "Quid Pro" when we taxpayers take-up the slack for the
$$$ millions of tax dollars that American universities dodge through a
plethora of non-profit exemptions, while they burden their host communities
with the same needs for services as private, tax-paying businesses? Isn't
this just like providing tax breaks to organizations that ship jobs overseas?
Without exception, I believe that all US colleges & universities
that solicit & subsidize foreign student enrollments should be REQUIRED
to pay taxes proportionate to the number of foreign students enrolled and/or
REQUIRE those students to work in the USA for at least the same number
of years they received a US taxpayer-subsidized education!!!
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21 | If we want to excel the way the chinese do we have to realize that
some form of tracking and schools for the exceptional are needed. Boston
Latin etc are fine for kids in Boston--but if you are in the middle of
a state it can be tough not only for the gifted student but for her or
his teachers, who have little guidance for how to challenge such youth.
At the same time, our culture is anti-intellectual--note the applause given
to Sarah Palin's lionization of not having knowledge, and popular culture(sic).
For starters, we need a more confucian ethos where studying and learning
are prized. In Korea academics are viewed the way football stars are here.
When nespapers give the achievements in academics the same coverage they
give school sports we'll see something. In the meantime, parents as well
as kids have to turn off the TV and read--kids model what they see and
they see TV addiction and no jones for reading.
by Heckler-1 November 09, 9:29 PM |
22 | "That message is disconcerting for American students toiling to land
a coveted spot in Harvard's 1,660-student freshman class - and controversial
among some educators. But Fitzsimmons and others say they had better get
used to the idea."
Harvard and their ilk no longer appear to be burdened by mores like ethics and patriotism. I cannot help but suspect that this move arises from the fact that those who manage Harvard - or, more specifically, its trusts - see a huge potential for profit in China. And if currying favor in China requires sacrificing America, "Ah, well...that's capitalism!". At least as Harvard must teach it, if their graduates - like this President
- are any example.
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23 | How are your kids doing in school? I agree with anthom...let's get
our students, teachers and schools to work harder! How can we help?
"Start by allowing the smart kids to excel and not hold them back while the rest of the class is drilled on how to take the MCAS. Stop sticking 2-3 special needs students in class with the brightest students. Let these kids excel if they have the talent. The US is about pulling the bottom up but assuming the top of the heap needs nothing. For evry 1 of these bright Chinese kids, there are thousands that will be working in the rice fields and no one (US or China) will care. I agree with trying to make sure everyone gets a chance but I also believe
that those with the most promise should be allowed to achieve greatness.
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24 | leges will obsolete in about 10-20 years. Harvard enterign class of
1660.
I was in college for 10-years and know the inside and outside of colleges. All a college does is Sell Admit ticket to class. 1. YES, can come to class. 2. NO, cannot come to class. Yale, MIT, U.C. Berkeley are posting digital classes online for world to see. One Real lecture: 100-500 can see lecture. One Digital lecture: 1-3 billion can see lecture around the world. anytime, anywhere. Harvard drop-out Bill Gates asked: How many people need to give physics lectures Answer: Very few. One lecture can be seen by billions worldwide, anytime, anywhere. Math is Math. Science is Science. electricity is electricity. computer code is code. Moreover, if academic are so smart, what are they doing hanging out with little children. Why don't they start the Next microsoft, Intel, google and apple. Inc. The simple truth. 1. Those can do.... will do
Read charles murray: college is mostly a waste of time. Witness Harvard President: a historian of the civil war, 19th century historian living in the 21st. century. Harvard, like most liberal arts, colleges, will be obsolete in 10-20
years.
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25 | Typical of the Globe to tell just one side of the story.
Speaking as someone who knows about this situation... China has a very strong culture of cheating and plagiarism. They also have proxies to take tests like the GMAT or GRE. It is not unknown for Chinese students, even ones in PhD programs at ivy league schools to plagiarize research or even fake data. Harvard has truly sunk to new lows. Harry Lewis is right about Harvard's
tax exemption needing to be used for the US economy not China's. Just like
offshoring and importation of foreign labor, now Americans' educational
choices are being decimated for all the wrong reasons. There are plenty
of extremely bright Americans. There is NO need to be recruiting overseas.
China needs to take care of its own, and American universities need to
support Americans first. Everyone should be up in arms over this.
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